For this LBL session I guide Marc to a past life through usual relaxation and guided imagery
procedures. We begin our dialogue immediately following my suggestion that he go to a
“different time and different place.”
SML: Look down at your feet and scan up your body and tell me what you are aware of.
M: I have white cloth on my feet.
SML: Do you have a sense of whether you are inside or outside?
M: I hear the sound of water and waves. I'm in a cave by the ocean.
SML: Do you feel like you're a male or a female?
M: I'm a female.
SML: How old are you?
M: I’m in my early 30s.
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SML: So tell me what's going on right now ... what is important to know about who you are
and where you are and what's going on right now?
M: It’s like some kind of a worship ceremony to do with the sunrise. There are others with
me. They’re kind of hunkered down around the edge of the space. They are part of the
ceremony too, but I am leading the ceremony.
SML: Are the others with you male or female?
M: They’re all females.
SML: Tell me more about the ceremony and what happens next.
M: The sensations I feel are pure light, there’s another spirit there with me……. it’s like an
experiment.
SML: Do you get a sense of the energy of that spirit?
M: The spirit has tremendous energy.
SML: And what is the relationship between you and this spirit?
M: I feel it’s a kindred spirit, and the spirit has joined with me.
SML: Can you get a sense of the purpose of the ceremony?
M: My sense is that the purpose of the ceremony is a deep honoring of our origins or something
like that, our beliefs and practices.
SML: Is there any more you can tell me about yourself and your role in the ceremony?
M: I am starting to sense that I was the guardian spirit for that ceremony. I was an exalted
spirit in the ceremony.
SML: What else can you tell me about yourself in that same lifetime?
M: Earlier, before going to the ceremony earlier, I was just a woman in my community.
SML: What is your name? What do they call you?
M: My name is Aria .... or Ariala,
SML: What is your role in the community?
M: My role is like a healer and teacher and a helper of the community.
SML: Can you get a sense of the place you are in and the time in history?
M: I’m getting that it is in England. About 1,000 years ago.
SML: What else you can tell me? Anything else that is significant to know about that lifetime?
M: It’s interesting that I don’t sense many males around …… there are some, but mostly females.
It’s like a matriarchal society, and the women guide the community. They have the
knowledge and are very connected with nature and each other. It’s not about power. It’s a
very harmonious existence working for each other’s mutual benefit.
SML: How do feel about this lifetime?
M: I’m very pleased with this lifetime, very happy.
SML: So now we are going to move forward to the very last day of that life as Ariala.
I suggest with some emphasis: Be there now .... it's the Last day of that lifetime. And tell
me, is there anything going on that suggests that this will be your last day?
M: Early in the day I have no sense that this is going to be the last day of this lifetime.
SML: And how old are you on this last day?
M: I’m not very old.
SML: So move forward and tell me where you are and if the setting is familiar. And tell me
what is happening as the day goes on.
M: We are setting out on a journey to go somewhere. I may be on my way to the ocean, but
I’m in a dark place like in the woods, and I’m sensing a lot of dread. I just see darkness, like
something’s being hidden from me.
SML: What happens next?
M: We’re being attacked.
SML: Just detach from the body and float over the scene as if you're an interested observer,
and from that perspective, just tell me what happens.
M: Ariala was going along the trail with a couple of female companions, and some men
jumped out and attacked them. Ariala was trying to just talk to them calmly and appeal to
their sense of reason, the higher aspect, but it didn’t help. They stopped these women and
raped them, then killed /Ariala. They stole what they had, which wasn’t much.
SML: From your perspective, floating above the scene as an observer, tell me what happens to
you.
M: My spirit rises and detaches. I’m floating above the body.
SML: As you move away from your physical body, you'll be able to talk to me and answer my
questions. Now you are in touch with your inner self and feel your mind expand to the highest
level of your being. All physical pain and discomfort is left behind, and as you look down at
your body you may perceive some sadness.... tell me where you find yourself in relation to
your body.
M: I'm floating about 50-100 feet above the body.
SML: Is there anyone still near your body at this time?
M: Those thieves and murderers are still there around my body.
SML: So tell me how you're feeling right now.
M: I’m mostly angry and shocked that people could be like this. The community we lived in
was a spiritual community, and we were shielded from this kind of behavior and aspect of the
human condition. This was a big shock. I thought I would just be able to communicate with
them. I had my whole life ahead of me, and I feel like it was way too soon for this life to be
over. I feel angry and shocked and sad, but I feel compassion too. I feel a lot of emotions because
it happened so suddenly.
Client leaves the body behind and begins to leave the earth plane.
SML: As we move on you'll be able to remember many details about your journey back home.
As you move upward to the loving realm of an all-knowing power, everything will become very
familiar to you. As you move away from your body in perfect comfort, you will be returning
home. And as we move away from your body, tell me everything that happens.
M: I meet that being again...the one that was in the cave. And it's a powerful and peaceful
being. I realize that they don't have a gender, it's really just light energy and it's an amazing
being. When it was with me for the ceremony, it presented to me more as a human being, but
its really just energy, and I'm just energy, too, at this point, and this spirit is moving with me.
SML: You're moving together?
M: Yes.
SML: Can you give me more detail about the sense of this entity and if it is familiar to you?
M: Yes, the entity is familiar to me.... this entity is always with me. I asked it, and it told me
yes.
SML: What else can this entity tell you about your connection?
M: It can tell me anything and everything. I'm just enjoying being with him.
SML: So just take a moment to do that, and when you're ready you can tell me a little bit
more. Just tell me what you're doing.
M: Every time I leave the body I enjoy being with his energy. Now we are traveling…… we are
traveling a great distance across space, and it’s so much fun. It's just a big adventure, and it's
fun! I love this ….. we’re laughing.
SML: So you've done this many times before?
M: Yeah. We have done this many times before.
SML: How do things appear to you?
M: At first it looked like a whole galaxy, and now it looks like an amorphous light that extends
out for a way, not as big as a galaxy, but more like a big city or something.
SML: As you keep moving, tell me what happens next.
M: There is energy. It’s the same as the being (entity). It's the same as me. It can appear or
present itself into a humanly recognizable configuration, but it does not need to do that.
SML: When it does do that, how does it appear?
M: It's really cool. It’s like it’s more than three dimensional ……like spokes going on to a wheel
into a hub and the spokes are going in all directions. It's like amorphous energy but with more
thick energy that is more concentrated towards the middle. It's not all going to one hub.
There are several little pods.
SML: So where do you go next?
M: We are going toward the middle part of it, but I know that we’re just going to go out to
another spoke, or pod. It’s beautiful colors like orange, magenta. Purple and yellow. It’s really
beautiful, and the pods are like little spheres. I’m dazzled by the whole configuration. It’s
really cool.
SML: Is there a set way that you like to go?
M: Yeah, it feels familiar ..... I am going down certain corridors. I’m going down a corridor,
and I know I’m going to be turning right. Now I’m in the middle of a whole configuration. It’s
like a huge cavernous room almost. There’s a lot of stuff there. It’s like Grand Central Station,
but much grander. It's orderly, and there is a lot activity and everyone is excited about
going to their places.
SML: So it's sort of like a terminal?
M: Yes, it’s like a terminal, and they are all headed into different places and people are with
their entities, like guides and they’re saying things like, “Am I really supposed to go down this
hall?” and their guides are saying, “Yeah, that’s it.” And they’re looking at boards, kind of
like message boards, and other people are just going on their own in a hurry. I’m anxious to
be going down my hallway. I know where I’m going.
SML: Is the entity with you guiding you?
M: Yeah. The entity with me is a guide for me. This being is so wonderful, both male and female
energy, strong, loving, patient and also gently forceful.
SML: Do you know your guide's name?
M: I will ask..... The name is Asriel, or something like that, but I think maybe that’s just a
joke.
SML: So just move on down your hallway and just describe to me where you are going and how
it appears to you ..... you've been this way before...
M: Yeah, it's so exciting... I'm going down what looks like a long circular, cylindrical kind of
shape and a lot of shapes branching off into pods, and maybe it goes out beyond and there
are a lot more that branch out more and more. They funnel into like .... collector hallways. I
don’t know how many layers there are, but people are going down all the different ones.
SML: So follow along where you are going and tell me where you go.
M: When I arrive at where I’m going it is like a big surprise party. I know there's going to be a
party...I can feel their excitement and my excitement. I’m going in to that big area and there
are maybe 12 or 20 beings in there.
SML: Are these beings familiar to you?
M: Yeah they are all familiar to me. There is so much happiness there. It is more just like
twinkling light…. just energy. I'm not getting language...they're happy. Two or three came
forward initially and greeted me. Now I am just enjoying feeling their energy. The three that
came forward are very familiar to me. It is interesting that when I went in there I noticed
that there were some entities in there that were not altogether positive. I was surprised
about that because I was looking forward to it and anticipating it so much and feeling so much
positive energy about going there, but there were some that I get the sense were kind of
sneaky. Maybe it’s just part of lifetime patterns, but I still felt that. The three I’m with are
very harmonious, supportive and compatible. These three are so loving gentle and kin. I’m
trying to figure out who they might be in this lifetime.
SML: Ask them to reveal themselves to you.
M: One is my friend, Martha, and one is Florence. The other is my friend, Chuck.
SML: Perhaps you can ask them to tell you about the sneaky ones.
M: (Laughs) I’m skittish about knowing about the sneaky ones, most of them are not sneaky.
There are ten others or so that are wonderful....all of them are wonderful, but some of them
just agreed to take on these difficult roles. That’s part of it……..that is how they do it.
SML: Is that a pattern with your group, and is it usually those same entities that take on those
roles?
M: I guess so, yeah. Some of them seem to enjoy it. That's what bugs me! (Laughs)
SML: Does that serve a purpose to the group as a whole?
M: Yeah it does. We are a group that are of service to others. We are caretakers, and we care
about others. I do not get the sense that we have that many heroic, large-scale endeavors.
We do significant things, but it’s on a smaller scale. We love humans on earth. We create
peace on earth and love wherever we are in whatever communities or families we are in, and
when we do it, we are creating energy that moves out throughout the world. But we do it on
a small scale with small groups. We have different configurations of people from the group
that come together in different lifetimes.
SML: Have any of the ones that you consider to be sneaky been with you in physical lifetimes
for certain reasons?
M: Yeah. A lot of the sneaky ones have been in lives with me.
SML: What roles have they played, and what roles have you played?
M: One of them was my murderer in that last lifetime. It makes me mad, but I know there is a
purpose. I have a feeling that my dad and my brother have been challenging to me, but not in
a really harsh way. Others have shown me different ways of being so that I can have the experience.
So sometimes they have roles like that, that are not quite as exalted as I think I am.
I'm kind of arrogant. In some lives they show me my arrogance, and I have to work on that.
We all agree to do different things each time. Like our son, Carlos, is in this group. I think he's
more of a playful spirit, and he doesn’t…… I don’t get the sense he is trying to do evil stuff,
but it's very unconventional. He is more of a playful spirit, and he breaks all the rules in the
roles, but he’s playful like a jester. That's the way he gives others in the group perspective
that the cultural norms are too small. He plays with it, and he knows he is violating the rules.
He takes on some roles that are difficult
SML: Are you getting any messages from the group about the life you just lived?
M: It’s such a party, and everyone’s happy to see each other, so it’s not very organized. They
are telling me that I did a lot of what I was supposed to do in the life as Aria to help others
understand the connection to our origins, our spirits and the peace that is within us. I did that
very well, but, as usual for me, I was a little too serious. I could have lightened up. I was very
focused and on task. I was a driving force in that spiritual community, and I was effective. But
I could have had more fun with it. I healed many generations with what I did, but I still need
to learn to lighten up and ... that's what it is ....in a way it was time for me to get out of that
life because I wasn’t really getting it, and it was time for me to exit that life because I was
starting to get a little too caught up in the power of my position. I was connected in one way,
but I was not getting it. There is a greater purpose to life and death, and the way it unfolded
as well. One, or maybe both, of the other girls that were with me, survived and were able to
deliver that message back to the community, and the community learned to be a little more
careful, as it can be dangerous. I was feeling pretty invulnerable, and I went right up to these
guys with knives and talked to them and told them it was wrong to do this, and it did not
work. I was too direct, and I wasn't tuned into others enough. The surviving two girls conveyed
that to the others and that was incorporated into their practices, and they are safer as
a result. They understood more of the reality of things beyond them as they were very isolated.
SML: So two purposes, one that you were not making enough progress and at the same time
you helped your village. What more can they tell you that is important to know about that
lifetime?
M: They said it was so good that we practiced following our intuition and just deeply believing
and practicing what we felt intuitively. Even though we did not have many teachers, we understood,
and we were really worshiping what we felt, which was the sun, the ocean, nature,
as we felt deeply that what we had was the origin of our human selves as well. It was really
cool that we understood as much as we did and worshipped the way we did, and it’s like,
what we have done over and over again. They are telling me about connections in terms of
community to the same principles and ideas, but there are patterns of isolation and then connection
in terms of community with other human beings, and that's just how it has to go. We
keep learning the same thing in all these communities, and it's connecting back to the same
thing about our origins and the peace within, and what we experience in this little pod here is
that we're energy, and we don’t harm or hurt each other. We need to experience that in the
physical, such as in this last life.
SML: Do you work with any other groups too?
M: Yeah.
SML: And what is the purpose of that?
M: We work with other groups. I’m not sure about the purpose, but the way it works is the
same as within our own small group, but maybe extended out to 10 or 12 other groups. So
sometimes we work with other sister groups that are closely connected groups to incarnate in
lives for certain lessons. So there is cross coupling and cross sharing, but they are more in
outer circles.
SML: So while you are still with your group is there anything more that is important to communicate
before we move on to our next stop?
M: The main communication is just love.
SML: So now ask Asriel if it may be time to move on.
M: He says it is time to go to the Council.
SML: Tell me how you get there.
M: (with a changed tone) Oh. Things have become a little more serious now, and we’re moving
out of the pod area through the series of hallways in reverse order of how we came there,
going back towards the central hub area, and it is like we are going to another, like pod-type
thing. A sphere, but it is closer to the central hub. It looks like it's another little tunnel, but it
is like a conference room.
SML: How does the conference room appear to you?
M: I feel like there are doors. It’s kind of closed. We have to go through doors so we can get
into it from the main central area. It’s like an inverted V shape. Like on a bench but more like
an inverted V pointing up.
SML: How many elders do you see?
M: There are nine, and four are on either side of the V and one is in the center. I stand in
front of them. They are just energy so they don’t need to stand or sit.
SML: How do they appear to you?
M: They appear to me as….. at first I saw them with features, I don't know why, but I was
feeling a defensiveness, but then I allowed myself to really feel them, and there is no judgment
at all. It’s not a judgment like a courtroom. Not like a council where they’re going to
approve your zoning.
SML: What message do they communicate to you?
M: I’m really afraid, and I’m looking back at my guide saying, “What’s going on?” Now his
name becomes more like O'Ryan rather than Asriel. Before, there was a playful quality, and
now it’s getting really serious. O’Ryan is telling me it’s okay, and I feel like a scolded kid. He’s
telling me to pay attention and it’s okay.
SML: What message are you receiving from them?
M: They are very patient with my fidgeting and resistance and all that, and they’re telling me
that you can’t force others to do what you think or what you know is best for them. It is their
choice. They are telling me about patience …… I still need to learn a lot of patience. My impulses
and my instincts are good and so receptive to good things, but I need to be more accepting
of others and their choices. I have to learn that, and when I have learned that I’ll be
much more effective with my involvement in my teaching and guidance or whatever it is I’m
doing.
SML: What advice can they give you about how you can best to do that?
M: They are saying, “Lighten up,” and they’re all laughing and really bouncing around.
SML: Do you have a habit of being too serious?
M: Yes. I’m embarrassed like a little kid.
SML: What else do they have to say?
M: They tell me they’re always available to me, and I can visit them with O'Ryan/Asriel at any
time. And I would do well to remember this moment and the feeling of their patience and
their love for me. They are not saying it that way, but I'm saying it that way, and that we are
all guides for each other. We are all spirits for each other, and that's the main thing. I feel
their love and support and kindness, and if I do that I will be fine.
SML: Would it be appropriate now to ask one of your questions?
M: Yes.
SML: Your first question is: What do I need to be shown, or what do I need to know right now
at this point in my soul’s journey for my current life as Marc?
M: They tell me I should just work with O’Ryan on that, and that it’s not a council question.
SML: Let's see about your other questions. Your next questions is: What is my soul’s purpose?
What can I do to better align with that purpose?
M: They say that O’Ryan, my guide, can spend more time with me on that, so I'm just tuned
into to one guide, and I’m not on the defensive and feeling like a little kid since we are more
like pals. Here I feel intimidated even though there’s no reason to feel that way.
SML: So we can save your questions for later when you can do that, but while we're still
there, what else do they feel is important for you to know, or is there anything you would like
to ask them?
M: They are telling me they appreciate me, and I am on the right path and doing the same
work with a higher purpose. The Council is really giving…… like accolades: recognition and
appreciation ……..that this is who I am and what I do and have done, lifetime after lifetime
for a really long time. They say to keep it up and keep the channel open to receive messages
and guidance from them. Trust it because it is subtle when you are in a body, but trust it, and
believe it, and know it, and sense this connection with the Council is always open. It flashes
in and out, but I can ask for it, I can request it, and then I can receive the encouragement
anytime and the guidance too.
SML: What do they say is the best way for you to access this as easily as you can?
M: They say to just get quiet and ask and open up to that guidance and listen. They say just
carry on, it’s okay.
SML: So what are your feelings about yourself now the meeting is drawing to a close?
M: They’re not in that V shape anymore. That was so I would take them seriously. Now they’re
more surrounding us ... me and my guide. They appear luminous, and they are surrounding us.
Wow, this is so beautiful, it's beyond any words. Really, they are just letting me feel the appreciation
and unity, and it’s beyond anything I can convey in words. It’s like they’re charging
me up …. helping me to trust the feeling of being charged up.. It’s like everything went away
except for them and the energy going through them. My guide is so supportive, and they are
channeling a tremendous amount of energy.
SML: Do you get the feeling that there is a “higher” entity present at this meeting?
M: There is an overarching higher being that is included in all of it, and I can feel that. The
Council members are like an example of the overall energy. That is an amazing feeling. They
say just feel that, be that. Trust it.
SML: You always can.
M: I had all this self-doubt like I was going in to be punished ….like, “Am I doing the right
thing?” They’re showing me to feel the goodness and let it flow from the inside out. There is
no time.....it's not just like "class dismissed" when I leave the chamber.... When you experience
it, it continues forever. (After a pause) Wow! Now it’s like I am exiting through a different
dimension. It’s like I came in horizontally, and I’m going out vertically. Up and down.
Wow! I’m exiting with my guide now.
SML: Where do you find yourself now?
M: So now it’s “me and the guide time.”
SML: Where do you go?
M: We go wherever we want. It felt like we were in the middle of outer space or something,
but we can create whatever environment we want to be in for our time together.
SML: So what do you create?
M: Well, I'm happy just in space, but, wow, I mean, I can just barely have the hint of an idea
of a nature scene or tropical rain forest with a waterfall, and it instantly happens. I’m like a
kid in a candy store. Is that what I really want? This is awesome. I’ll just pick one thing, it'll
be ok. I'll just go with that one. I pick one. It's like Hawaii with a meandering stream. There’s
a dark bank behind one side of the stream, and there's a bodhisattva, right there, sitting
there just perfectly. We can get in the water....we got in the water. No, it's the perfect temperature….
Wow, and there are trees and fruit. The river is winding towards the central
peak…. the mountain. We can see it with our mind’s eye. It’s gorgeous, and we’re getting out
of the water and sitting on the bank. It’s a sandy bank right at the foot of this diamond, Buddha-
like figure in a lotus position, and it’s just stunning because you can see through his body.
It’s like he’s made out of clear crystalline material….. he contains so much energy!
SML: What does he represent to you?
M: He represents the overarching God. God crystallized down into this figure that looks like a
human. So peaceful, sitting calm and still, and there is energy moving in and around that figure
who is 10 or 15 or 20 feet high on a volcanic wall. So that’s part of what we’re going to
talk about. It’s so amazing to just sit with these entities like my guide. It's so vast, so much
energy. For my guide to appear in this little guy, like my little buddy is just a generous act
because his energy is so, so vast compared to that. Wow, I’m very humbled, and it is such an
honor …..and this is just my guide!! (Overcome with emotion). And God is 10 trillion times
more than that….. It's like they’re just trying to cure me of my arrogance. Wow. So the big
God, the figure of Crystal on the wall is like my guide and me merged into one. Like Russian
nesting dolls, so I got into my guide and my guide got into me on different levels and each
one of those bodies has billions of nesting dolls inside of it, like the microcosm in the macrocosm
and it’s just energy. Every small one is a replication of the big one. They are all linked.
They are all the same yet different. They are scaled. That’s what they’re showing me. Now
I’m experiencing more on the micro scale, one little particle of life, a very small living entity
swimming around. It’s like I’m an amoeba or protozoa swimming in the body of one of the
smaller scale Buddhas that is the body of a bigger Buddha. And those are just the cells in between
the outer shells of the nesting dolls……and the single-celled animal is incredible! It’s
unbelievable, amazing. The miraculousness of all the scales and the aggregation energy into
all forms, not only the living forms, the crystalline forms like the sand and the rock. It's amazing.
If you had to give it a human purpose or name, you would call it love, too. It's supporting
everything else around it. It’s contributing to its welfare. It’s all, not just interdependent, but
inter-everything! It’s like God’s idea.
SML: What a wonderful gift to be shown that and have that experience.
M: And now I’m getting back on the sandy beach sitting next to another guide who is more
like a separate entity as opposed to the unified entity, like sitting at the feet of the master.
I’m asking this guide to help me and teach me. She is such a strong authority but also so loving.
I asked her what her name is, and she said it was Heron or something.
SML: Can you ask Heron what your soul name is?
M: She says I have many names. It's not important.
SML: Can you ask Heron what the significance is of the experience you just had?
M: It was an incredible gift to be shown what I was shown. It’s like a preview.
SML: So is it appropriate to ask your questions now? Do you still want to ask?
M: Yes, (with enthusiasm first, then with conviction) yes.
SML: So your first question is: What do I need to be shown, or what do I need to know right
now, at this point in my soul’s journey?
M: I’m being shown everything…… I should be in a state of prayer and meditation 24 – 7, but I
just need to know that wherever I am and whatever I am doing, I just need to be this light
that I am. Let things unfold…. They are appropriate..... just whatever comes up, it’s not
about personal accomplishment or achievement. It's not about having or doing. It’s not about
anything like that. It's about going with grace and humility and giving unconditionally like I
always want to do anyway. What I need to be shown is this experience, and that’s what I need
to show to others when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t have to seek it, or create it,
but when these opportunities occur everywhere, all the time in different settings, on different
scales, I need to show this grace, humility, and unconditional giving. The main word I'm
getting is trust. To trust the feelings I get and the intuitions, and when things come up I need
to slow down and pay attention. And when you get an answer, trust it, don’t second guess it,
just get out of the way. Free the self of the preconditions and preconceptions and cultural
conditioning, and acknowledge it and love it for what it is, but don’t let that override the
message. Let it come to the mind from the heart and through the intuition.
SML: Your next question is: Should I be doing anything different to align with my soul’s purpose?
M: It’s just to love, and that’s it. I mean to love .... Language really slows us down, but part
of it is love is stronger when there is pain involved, like when it’s not reciprocated or when
there's pain or perceived danger or whatever. That’s when it’s really needed. That’s when it’s
really powerful. That’s real love. Like when you’re safe and all that, is love too, but the sense
of separation and the pain and all that I’ve experienced and others have experienced, is just
to make the love stronger, more complete, more true, more expansive, and I’m getting a
message that's something like, “Trust in the love of God that is in you.” It sounds miniscule in
words. When you encounter other people’s pain and how that manifests as violence or aggression
and fear, and you love them, that's when you really need love, and I’ve got it. That’s
what I do. What you need is to let go of all the fear and let go of all the pain in you, and then
you are not competing and you know you are on your soul’s journey and living your purpose.
When you are that pure love that you are. Just trust in the love that you are, and you’re always
living your purpose and on your path.
SML: Your next question is: What lesson should I be working on now?
M: What I got was, slow down. Love more. All the other stuff you’re doing…... just balance
that trusting feeling, deeply connecting continuously with this love that you are and the infinite
endless eternal energy that everything is made of. If a human emotion comes up, just
remember that and rest and do whatever you need to do and feel the connection with that.
Knowledge is expansive and true, and all the other little pains and fears are okay, but that’s
not the primary reality. It's interesting that the sense I just got is that fake humility is arrogance.
They’re telling me don’t do fake humility as that is arrogance. Instead, be the power
that you are, and be the loving way for good.
SML: You only have one more question on your list that hasn't already been answered: Am I
holding any other energy from past lives that I would benefit from releasing, and if so, may I
have help in releasing it?
M: I feel something in my throat. Wow! This is more of a feeling of something coming up from
my gut. I’m feeling it in my body before I get the image, but it’s a release, and I’m getting it
right now. I’m asking my guide if I need a conscious reminder of this lifetime to help me release
this. Now it’s going up into my brain stem, and it’s still stuck in my throat. Whoa! It’s
like an energetic being inside of me that's moving up and trying to move out. It’s clinging, especially
to the roof of my mouth and my brain stem and the top of my spine, but it’s starting
to move out. They're moving it out. I have the sense that my guide and other forces are getting
rid of this for me. Now it’s getting to the core of my brain. I'm seeing if I’m getting a
memory. It doesn't feel like it needs to. It’s still moving out. I need to work with this. Trust…..
it’s about trust. Trust that it’s really being released, really letting go. Just trust. Select your
level of trust. My guide says, “Trust me.” I say, “Of course I trust you!” I'm the one that's
holding it, and I'm trying to let it go. It’s like it’s evaporating off my skin. I’m honoring it and
thanking it, but asking it to go. That wasn’t me, but… right now it seems more helpful for me
to just feel it. Feel that feeling. There’s a shape in the density to it, and it’s becoming more
and more diffused and evaporating. Its connection into my body is less and less.
SML: Can you trust to let it all go?
M: Some came back to my throat just then.
SML: Ask your guide to help you. Trust your guide to help you.
M: (in a serious voice) I was beheaded in one of my lives. My guide is saying that it will be released,
but I have to practice this for a little while longer, but not that long. Just a couple
months or something, and it will all be released.
SML: Do you need to know anything more about that lifetime that would be helpful to put it in
perspective?
M: “Fearful human, Marc” is trying to avoid revisiting this lifetime, but my guide says, yes,
let’s go into this lifetime. I was a warrior, and I thought I was on the right side of the war. This
is an extreme example of trying to force others to do what you think is right through violence
and aggression and domination. They made an example of my death. I was a general or a
king. I find this kind of repulsive to my “current self”…..if my “current self” exists, but I
mean this consciousness. After the moment of my death and the time around my death, the
spirit really lingered around. My spirit lingered around to see the whole spectacle of my head
paraded around. It was belittled and defamed and just beaten and kicked around until there
was no skin left on the face. I was reviled, dehumanized and hated. Even though I was primarily
good, except for killing other people for what I thought was for good. My spirit needed to
see all that in order to get the full effect of the incongruity of what I believed I was doing
versus the real reality.
SML: Did you come away with that understanding?
M: No, I was really mad and I still am. Not that much, but still a little bit. The anger and the
righteousness was not all burned out, it was still there. And I still held onto a lot of that
righteous indignation that hasn’t all melted away. It was a big battle, and it was very foolish
stuff for me to think one side was more right than the other. It's absurd. I feel it less already
in my throat.
SML: Putting it in proper perspective will help you let it go. Trust your guide to help you release
that.
M: It took me quite a while after that lifetime to clear out enough so I could see the Council.
SML: What else can help you?
M: My guide is telling me to trust my higher nature, but not the more base impulses. They’re
saying it in a much more beautiful way. Not the human stuff, but more the spirit stuff like my
intuition, and my intention is correct and pure, but then I got caught up in the power over
others instead of power with others, and I got away from the pure cooperation and the good
of all, and I went more toward domination and the benefit of the few. It was a big kingdom. I
thought it was for the greater good, but it was not for the greatest good of all. So I lost sight
of the “of all.” I was corrupted by the greed, power and fear. I started out with feelings of
love and desire to help and protect others, and then I let the fear and greed take over because
I had the desire for power. I was deluding myself at the time, thinking that I was doing
it for good, and it took me a long time to clear that out. It’s the whole arrogance thing….. the
righteous indignation is just another form of violence that does not honor the good of all, so
my guide is telling me to just keep in mind that when you serve, it has to serve the good of
all. This is your guidance in every moment and every situation. It includes whoever is right in
front of you. It’s not an abstract concept. In a way, it seems so simple, but I lost track of that
in that lifetime. So she’s saying trust your intuition and instinct, but just remember to make
sure it is for the good of all.
I thank this guide for that information and for sharing that with me also, and I am told that I
am welcome.
SML: You have no more questions that you have given me, but are there any more that you
would like to ask now? Or perhaps your guide would like to share something else with you.
M: My guide is saying to thank you deeply, like I was flippant in the way I said it, but that’s
not how it’s coming from the guide. She says to thank you very deeply for doing this work and
for helping me to get this guidance this time on this journey. My guide says that you’re doing
what you’re supposed to do on your journey, and it’s very beautiful, and they are very grateful
for you.
SML: Tell her I am very honored to be doing it. Thank you. What else can she tell you right
now?
M: My guide is telling me that she’s always with me. All I need to do is pay attention. Ask and
you shall receive. Listen and you’ll hear. Pay attention and I am there. It’s very direct. Just
shift your attention, it’s not even “ask,” the guide is always there and always open. All you
have to do is shift to that channel; turn the dial to that channel. Listen, ask and listen. Just
feeling the energy is helpful for me rather than trying to turn it into language and words that
I have to convey to someone else. I just can feel it. And that’s a lot faster, especially over the
next short period when I am completely releasing all this fear, lack of trust and all that. And
when I’m releasing, just feel the energy and feel the transformation and trust it and you’ll be
feeling it, and it will continue at a very accelerated rate compared to normal. That's another
gift that I'm receiving right now is that the transformation can happen very quickly. Just feel
the energy and don’t try to relate it to anything historical or the past or the future. It’s like
the next couple months (I’ve heard this twice now) is the time for me to release this and to
just trust it and feel it. And I will remember exactly how to do that. I can just tune into the
“guide channel,” and it’ll help me feel it.
SML: Is there anywhere else you'd like to go, perhaps the place where you select your upcoming
lives?
M: Yes. But let me ask. Yes, my guide will take me there. (after a moment) We could’ve gone
slowly, but no, we're there. It’s like a cylindrical chamber that goes up. I can’t see the limit
of it. It seems brighter at the top. With light on the top. The bottom is darker, and you can go
anywhere you want and select different consoles. There are consoles that you can look at,
and the guide, my guide, took me there. And then……. I’m just so dazzled by this that I’m
having a hard time focusing my attention on who is with me. I know my guide took me there,
and it seems like there’s another guide or two there that are helping us. I am trying to try to
pay attention to it all. I’m like a kid in the candy store, and I’m having a hard time focusing…
SML: Do you make the decision yourself, or is it a group decision?
M: You make it yourself …….It’s not self really, I don’t know if there even really is a self. It’s
like we are merged with the guides and in the guidance, all the way up, and all the way
down, but there is an aspect of individual choice involved. I guess you could say no, but you
wouldn’t dream of saying no. I trust them up there. There is an aspect of individual choice
involved. (Laughs) It’s kind of like you could say they’re convincing you because they are really
patient, so they you give you the impression that you are choosing. But they really are
choosing what they know to be best for you. They’re kind of settling me down right
now....getting the kid in the candy store to settle down, and they’re showing me, and I’m trying
to look at consoles. I start to look at other consoles, but they are guiding me to the right
level, the right region and giving me kind of a glimpse of the other ones, but they're really
showing me the next life. It's like they are very patient because I keep saying, “Would it work
if I do this or I do that,” and then they give me a glimpse of other screens or consoles. You
can say they’re like screens, but you can just watch a simulation of that world and that life
and it's three dimensional, so you have glimpses of experiences, but they explain it to you.
Just because you see these scenes, it doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed to happen. There are so
many interconnected things happening all the time. So if this thing happens, another thing
will happen. It’s like they are giving you examples of things that may happen in the different
lifetimes, but it’s just giving you a feel for it. But you get a really good sense of the general
capabilities of that body and the mind, the intuition and all the senses beyond the normal
five, and also the body’s innate ability versus developing ability. And some of the other
types.... It is not like they’re taking other souls from your group, but soul types, like the antagonist
or the compatible one and you know there’s going to be some helpful ones. I guess
you do know a few members of the soul groups who are going to be in this life with you. I’m
getting that really clear. (After a pause) They’re like ....okay, this is really incredible because
I’m being shown multidimensionally, not just one instance of this, but many instances
of this. I can only see a dozen simultaneously because that’s all my brain can hold at the moment.
Usually they really encourage you to take this one, even if you’re too dim to pick it,
but sometimes they give you a choice of two or three. Sometimes it could be even more like
four or five, but usually it’s two or three. And any one is equally okay. It’s like any of these
two or three would be roughly the same. Then they lay out the elements because we like having
variety in the selection, but it really is pretty much aligned to growth and linear evolution.
SML: And one that you may not choose. Is that available to you another time?
M: No, the lifetimes are never the same twice. You can’t pick a lifetime later on if you don’t
pick it now, because lifetimes are never the same twice. You can pick a certain type of profession,
or type of body, but all the conditions are different, even if it's in the same country.
Let's say you wanted to be a Tibetan Lama one time. Well, that option will be available to you
and could be available to you in the future, but it won't be the same. It would appear differently.
The teachings will be different. The teachings to the soul group would be different. The
particular evolutionary chain would be different. So that’s important because your purpose,
your small-scale purpose, will overlap with the cultural purpose and humanity’s evolutionary
purpose, and the timing of those are important. You might be really curious about a Tibetan
Lama, but it just might not be right for you at a given time.
SML: What about choices of time periods, different times in history?
M: Let me see. Are you saying can I go back in time or forward in time in my choices?
SML: Yes. How does that work?
M: This is way more interdimensional than one can conceive of it. You might choose a life
that’s 100,000 years in the future or 100,000 years in the past or on another planet, a totally
different evolutionary progression on a different planet and it may seem primitive or advanced
but …..There is kind of like a linear thread for your experience, but when you go like
from this lifetime, I might go into a lifetime that may seem more primitive. It’s not clear to
me from my perspective right now if it’s 100,000 years in the future or 100,000 years in the
past or another planet.
SML: So you don’t choose based on that anyway, just on the life itself.
M: You choose the life itself. It is definitely .... karma is not……..… I’m not getting into that.
SML: Have you chosen a life on another planet?
M: Oh, yeah. I have chosen life on another planet. Many times.
SML: Very often?
M: Let me see. This is some wild stuff. This is like time and space is turned inside out. I can
see it a little bit, but I can’t comprehend it really. It doesn’t even make sense to say this
planet or other planets because in a way it’s all like simulated projection, but you could say
that other planets are nested inside this planet, and this planet that we think of as being for
human beings in this century are nested inside other planets. So it’s just like going to another
layer and that’s just the way it’s being shown to me. That’s even not accurate, but it’s the
only way my Marc mind can comprehend. But it is way more multidimensional than humans
talk about now in this century. In a way this is a very primitive planet and life for many of
us….most of us, it’s all relative.
SML: The last time you were in the selection area how many choices did you have?
M: I just had one choice and this one was it. I mean, I thought I had other choices. They let
me shop around. Mary was going to be here (Marc's wife in his current life), and my mom was
going to be here, and to be here right now it’s very exciting. It’s a very exciting time for this
planet and this population for the evolution of this collective consciousness manifesting in the
beings that are here right now. This is exciting. This is a very exciting time for this planet.
SML: Tell me more about that.
M: It is the end of one era and the beginning of another. It is a gradual thing over a long time
period. It will take more than just one lifetime, but it’s the beginning of a cycle. We are getting
more back to the other… Going back to the garden and toward harmony and to cooperation.
We're pretty much at the peak of war and destroying the earth and all that. This is the
worst it’s going get. I don’t know from my little perspective, but it is like an alcoholic bottoming
out. This is hitting bottom, and it might get a little worse before it gets better, but
basically the getting better is already happening parallel with the bottoming out. So getting
better is rising up big right now, real big. Wow! And it’s beautiful like a beautiful flower, the
uplift part. Even with all the scary stuff, it's beautiful. This human life is that in the microcosm.
SML: For those who have chosen to be here now?
M: That is why a lot of us are here now.... for the uplift part. This human life is that in the
microcosm.
SML: Ask your guide how best can we help this all along?
M: Each in our own way. There is no one answer for everyone, but we know it when we feel it.
Simplicity really, every choice, every step, every breath is to serve the greatest possible
good, and the self is included in that. You don’t have to live in poverty or be homeless on the
street to be part of the greatest good, but you don’t need more than you need either. I don’t
know how else to say it. Wow. That’s so amazing, that even just my guide...... oh, I don’t
mean to say it disparagingly...... every guide is a channel for infinite wisdom like this, and
each of us are.
SML: Anything else important to know?
M: This life was pretty much created for me as an ideal match. I wasn’t allowed too much arrogance,
but there’s great capacity still there, and it’s a beautiful gift. But it took me a long
time to realize that.
SML: Anything else your guide has to say about this?
M: My guide is telling me, or showing me, that I don’t really need these antagonistic, tricky,
angry sneaky lessons anymore. I don’t need to choose those, and she’s telling me to go with
the uplifted, the light, high ….higher companions and influences that are around as opposed
to the darker ones. In this lifetime …..right now. And that will help with the trust thing and
with my life’s work. With the all that is me. Go with the light beings. Thank the others, bless
them and honor them, but let them go on their journey. Don’t try to change them or fix them.
It’s like the same lesson over and over. How many times do I have to get it. But it is true this
lifetime as well. So my guide says, go ahead, go back.
SML: Are you sure you're ready?
M: Yes.
I suggest that Marc be guided back into his body, and I add my suggestion that this beautiful
world is always accessible. He arrives back in his body and is brought to full waking consciousness
with a complete memory of everything he experienced